And didn't Ziegler subsequently admit that the Somerton peopleonly learned of Bill's identity as a result of becoming suspicious ofhis manner of arrival and the costume-rental receipt in his coatpocket? The main point, was that that kind of mental approach to things, is actually the biggest impediment to focusing the mind. Even Sk was not perfect in that way-----or was hethere is the mystery. <<<<<<<<<<<<<. And the redeemer's pubic hair is also trimmed the same. That is what she was" implying that her death> is of no consequence because of the low-status manner in which Ziegler> chooses to define her (an identity created and perpetuated by the> Zieglers of the world in the first place), earlier confirmed by his> desire to get the drugged-out Mandy out of his bathroom and house> ("Can we put some clothes on her and get her out of here?" <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<. I actually had to look that up. >He also must have recognized> the voice, considering that her voice is somewhat deep and throaty with a> tinge of distinctive accent. ), Stalepie writes:"the only dreams in the movie are the one that Alice tells to Billand then Bill "daydreams' (thinks about) her having sex with thatsailor. Perhaps Alice was already attending these rituals and this was a way to gently break in stuffy and repressed Bill to this new found club and part of his initiation. :>I thought this film was much less interesting than the competing film. ANSWER. He did not know who she was: she was wearing> a mask. Desire is always Other. Crumb Eye. Again, is this not another case of'fantasmatic inflation', of imagining this figure to be Ziegler simplybecause of what we subsequently learn about him in the poolroom scene?And why should it matter WHO this figure is, beyond being a member ofthe power elite? > If we speculate too far then we could say it was ALL a Charade. Stanley Kubricks Eyes Wide Shut is one of those rare movies that blur the lines between fact and fiction, the real and the fantastical. The genre of Stanley Kubricks last film, based on the well-known story of the Austrian A. Schnitzler, The Novel of Dreams (1925-1926), can be interpreted in different ways. >> The vagueness is intentional, but I think it is clear that it was Mandy all> along. Which all suggests that Ziegler didn't actually know> about Bill's presence at Somerton until he removed his mask > <<<<<<<<<<<<. In keeping with the filmmaker's quest for perfection, the shoot for Eyes Wide Shut famously rolled on, with the movie holding the record for the longest consecutiveshoot, as filming began in late 1996 and wrapped in mid-1998. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<. news:47897d0b$0$5129$4c36@roadrunner.com > Harry writes: (seen on google)>> >>> 1. so drugged out as to have been clearly incapable of making sense >> >>> of>>> anything and 2. never actually spoke (just some unintelligible >> mumbling),<<<>, >> No, she clearly says "sorry" to Zeigler when he says "you gave us a scare >> kiddo" and then Bill asks her, "How are you feeling now Mandy?" Next: The Shining: Why Stanley Kubrick Changed Stephen King's Story. The rhizomatic uncertainties and> > uncanny inconsistencies multiply >> "Rhizomatic uncertainties"?>> I actually had to look that up. He is not exactly voicing his thoughts. He discovers an underground sexual group and attends one of their meetings -- and quickly discovers that he is in over his head. Lets look at the basic plot of this film. And wouldn't he really feel more at home in amore errrrrrrrr Gnostic setting? and> pleading with her to take off her mask? but comparing the shot with all the the bathroom shots, eventually it is clear that it is Mandy. Put on some headphones and listen. Eyes Wide Shut is Stanley Kubrick's final movie starring Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman, but what does the mask on the pillow near the end mean? The rhizomatic uncertainties anduncanny inconsistencies multiply And it is not immediately clearwhether Bill connects this Amanda to the masked woman at Somerton orto the overdosed Mandy in Ziegler's bathroom. Weve got a beautiful feminine version of the lead mask that features a baroque pattern and crystal embellishments, as well as a feathered mask similar to the Given how upset she appeared following his confession, it's very unlikely she knew exactly what he was out doing, however. Is that how youwould describe it? that Bill first makes this connection, or at least, hasit confirmed by someone else (Ziegler)", Ditto. What a joke to call them "philosophers." Plus there is *no* *way* that a rare bookdealer would smoke anywhere near a book of which there are only threecopies in existence. Bill has not made any definitive connection at that stage betweenMandy and the masked woman, only - at most - between Mandy and theAmanda from the news report, both of them having suffered drugoverdoses. WebChords for Backward Priests, normal version of Masked Ball Eyes wide shut with lyrics. In a big crowd of masked people, Zeigler (his eyes give away who he is) on the balcony looking down at Bill, knows that it is him and nodded to him. To take Tess or Barry Lyndon in the same context is perhaps moreappropriate to various periods stylistically divergent from an intentor device for Picasso to depict women;- a later advancement thatneedn't further qualification than figures posed in gold, as was aliteral premium exacted upon proceeds, so written by one later model,over stipends derived from the estate. SoZiegler's principal role in the film and in this scene is as anunscrupulous defender of wealth and power and as a power-brokerintermediary (laying down the Law while also routinely transgressingit), threateningly indicating to Bill just what the rich and powerfulcan do and what they can get away with. I don't think there were any other dreams, although the redpool table scene always seemed the most dreamlike to me. Much as you often dream of people, in a distorted way, whom you met while awake. This is Eyes Wide Shut revisited. He has written words for Den of Geek, Collider, The Irish Times and Screen Rant over the years, and can discuss anything from the MCU - where Hawkeye is clearly the best character - to the most obscure cult b-movie gem, and his hot takes often require heat resistant gloves to handle. Much of what we have seen is Bill's non-verbal reactions to all this, which is full of shock and bewilderment. I am ready The film revolves around the tension between these twophenomena; it is about this tension): 1. desiring Amanda Curran to bethe Mandy from Ziegler's party would confirm his guilt - in hisprofessional capacity as a doctor attending a patient in need - aboutleaving her fate in the hands of Ziegler, serving power rather thanmorality or medical ethics, a guilt he now seeks to redress byimmediately going to visit Amanda/Mandy at the hospital to try andredeem himself; and 2. desiring Amanda to be the masked woman, a womanwho seemingly redeems Bill's Somerton-crashing guilt for him via theSomerton 'charade.'. > But I agree the way it is done is brilliant and it leaves all of us unsure > of everything, opening up infinite possibilites as to what it all means. Bill is, after all, wearing a mask; not only that, butthe Mandy who was in Ziegler's bathroom the night before was 1. sodrugged out as to have been clearly incapable of making sense ofanything and 2. never actually spoke (just some unintelligiblemumbling), Ziegler doing all the talking and explaining. Given that you have, as you already admitted, absolutely nounderstanding of the terms used or indeed the context in which theywere used, your pedantry is now exposed as pure and contemptiblefraudulence. He had no reason to think Zeigler was at Somerton, > till Zeigler tells him. Bill was not yet sure it was Mandy from the bathroom, till he happened to see the news story and saw the name "Amanda," then it started to come together. And the Somerton ritual is alsoambiguous; how, or rather why, for instance, does the masked womanupon first meeting the masked Bill, assert with such certainty that"You shouldn't be here", then followed by repeated warnings that hiscontinued presence at the ritual will get him in trouble? WebOne of the masked women warns him he is in terrible danger. The lost of public phones booths will kill off Superman, Dr. Who, and Colin Farrell roles. > certainly not by Bill) as a 'party. AmericanCinematographer did some thing on the lighting or something in thismovie when it came out, but David Mullen who used to post here (whenthis place was even worse) could answer like anything. He wasn't positive. Poor pitiful morons that we all are -thank Bog he's put off Nirvana for so long. I'm sorry, but this has to be said: I'm pretty sure I know what you mean, but the way you're saying it is silly. When we see the news article about dead Mandy, it says "Beauty Queen"but how did Bill know that was the same woman who ODd or helped him atthe orgy, since he never knew the real name of either? Isn't that - again - amazing; except that you're not even unfortunateenough to have a mindless head, given the large quantities ofbubblewrap - and nothing else - between your ears take care, MrKelpless. But the worst thing is your silly and smug arrogance. Imay bewrong, but I think Kubrick intended it that way. ". Somerton could hardly be >>>>>> described (andcertainly not by Bill) as a 'party.'<<<<<<<<<<<. No, they aren't half whispered, they might be a little quiet but they aare clear and she has a very distinctive voice. If he were> Ziegler, wouldn't he instead be going out of his way to privately> communicate with Bill, to get Bill out of Somerton as quickly as> possible in order to avoid any possible trouble (and as Ziegler> subsequently admits, Bill's gate-crashing 'made me look like a> complete fool')? Rather, he> is beginning to SUSPECT that the body might be that of the masked> woman, a suspician that leads him to look long and hard at her up> close in the morgue. > Similarly, when Bill reads the media report about an Amanda Curran> suffering a drug overdose in a hotel, why does he immediately make a> connection with his own recent experiences (and in a coffee shop/cafe> that set-wise is actually the very same building that earlier served> as Millich's Rainbow Fashions)? It would be odd for him to say, "orgy," or ritual, etc. It iscertainly distinctly possible that the woman at the party is otherthan the woman at the Somerton ritual, though the former does appearto be the Mandy that ends up in the morgue (she never made it to'rehab', as Dr Bill had suggested but never bothered following up,just later shunted home by Ziegler's heavies); remember, we only haveZiegler's explanation/confirmation that they are the same 'Mandy',hardly a reliable witness given his contradictory assertionsthroughout the film. One intriguing reading of the Eyes Wide Shutmask being on the pillow is that it's only in Bill's head as if he's exhausted by trying to hide his attempts at infidelity or true feelings from Alice, leading to an emotional breakdown. Whereas atSomerton, Ziegler and the others only first become suspicious of Billas an interloper because of how he arrived there (in a taxi ratherthan a limousine). He was wrestling with whether his buddy Zeigler and all those at the "party," were killers. Ironically, that is just what power (and Ziegler)would want you to believe - that the world of power and power elitesdoesn't exist, is just all a charade anyway, that those who dorecognise the realities of social power and of desire are justparanoid conspiracy nutters (when in fact it is those whoattribute all that occurs in the film to 'a dream' who are beingproperly paranoid). http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/japanese-zen/. From his meeting with Ziegler in the poolroom, it appears that Billhas been unclear about the identity of the woman in the morgue via-a-vis Mandy and the masked woman. Put on some headphones and listen. The way Zeigler confirms it was Mandy is matter of fact and it isn't as though Bill seemed surprised at this--even if the audience might still be confused. He only ultimately accepts Ziegler's account because it> gives him a convenient alibi (as well as because of Ziegler's powerful> position - Bill is Ziegler's man, obeying his orders, subscribing to> the demands and realities of Ziegler's world). > It's totally clear the "party' in this reference, is Somerton. It is only when Ziegler respondspositively to Bill's question, "The woman at the party is the woman inthe morgue?" > > Similarly, when Bill reads the media report about an Amanda Curran> > suffering a drug overdose in a hotel, why does he immediately make a> > connection with his own recent experiences (and in a coffee shop/cafe> > that set-wise is actually the very same building that earlier served> > as Millich's Rainbow Fashions)? Its common sense he was referring to Somerton as the party. He wasn't positive. - Zieglerwasn't concerned about her health, just eager to get rid of her so asto avoid any potential social embarrassment, "Bill, this is justbetween us"). But it isn't clear at all, and nobody in the film refers to the eventsat Somerton as a 'party.'<<<<<<<. He may literally have to go underground, or to the moon, etc. at the ceremony/orgy. >>He also must have recognized the voice, considering that her voice is >>somewhat deep and throaty with a tinge of distinctive accent. Related: Every Stanley Kubrick Movie Ranked, Worst To Best. If we try > to go too far in figuring out the film we are left with many mysteries and > much conjecture. No, it was just set up that way, as a puzzle, so that there would beendless discussion. I trhink Steven Lizberger is right. <<<<<<< I'm sorry, but this has to be said: I'm pretty sure I know what you, > mean,> but the way you're saying it is silly. I think this feeling of guilt and outrage at a murder, would be the first thing on his mind. If he wereZiegler, wouldn't he instead be going out of his way to privatelycommunicate with Bill, to get Bill out of Somerton as quickly aspossible in order to avoid any possible trouble (and as Zieglersubsequently admits, Bill's gate-crashing 'made me look like acomplete fool')? And if it's *not* supposed to be obvious, thatmeans that Polanski screwed up. He is not exactly > voicing his thoughts. It is also perhaps worth pointing out that the Somerton events, thoughso described in countless reviews and commentaries on the film - arenot accurately called an orgy, as that would imply that female, inaddition to male, sexual desire would find free expression at such anevent. It's profoundly, structurally, indeterminate >>> 1. so drugged out as to have been clearly incapable of making sense ofanything and 2. never actually spoke (just some unintelligiblemumbling),<<<. http://groups.google.com/group/alt.movies.kubrick/browse_frm/thread/16629c3d6011a459/705fb749859063b2?lnk=gst&q=treadmill#705fb749859063b2. The point, however, is that even if all three female'characters' are the same woman (and so, effectively, the samecharacter), this serves to set up even more contradictions, not tomention buying in to Ziegler's warped, patriarchal world. Yes, and we could speculate even further: there are no dream sequenceswhatsoever in the film, Alice's story about the navel officer being arecollection of her past desires, not a portrayed dream as such atall. ". Every woman Bill meets in the film wants him, wants to be with him; Alice WebThere are constant hints throughout the film of it being a story about one man's ego and insecurities. Does anyone else sense the inspiration of the mask designs from the film Eyes Wide Shut? WebEyes Wide Shut (1999) Abigail Good: Mysterious Woman, Masked Party Principal Showing all 3 items Jump to: Quotes (3) Quotes Mysterious Woman : Stop! > He didn't recognise her voice. He treated her as a not-very-important> patient; no Mandys attend Bill's upmarket surgery.>, Apparently word of Bill's entry into the ceremony/orgy traveled fast.>, > How? What is interesting is that the film's very ambiguity concerning theidentities of the three women (Mandy, masked woman, woman in morgue),sets up a desire to 'fill in' all the film's narrative gaps anddeadlocks, a desire to shut down such uncertainty, to give - just likeZiegler - an easy, 'commonsensical' black and white 'explanation' ofevents. I think it is clear he was referring to the Somerton party. Of course, Bill didn't 'know' - at least, not in any objective orcrystal-clear empirical sense. The first several times I saw the film I though what the op thought. Tom Cruise in the Masked Ball ritual scene from Stanley Kubrick's masterpiece Eyes Wide Shut with Jocelyn Pook's haunting score filling the temple. Not only are they the REAL "anti-intellectuals," they were schizoid as hell and projected it onto the social mess, creating political gibberish, that has NO usefulness to anyone. WebEyes Wide Shut Mask Woman - Etsy Browse a wide selection of eyes wide shut mask woman and face coverings available in various fabrics and configurations, made by a There are many aspects of it that ARE still a mystery such as I was suggesting with the costume. WebBrowse a wide selection of eyes wide shut mask woman and face coverings available in various fabrics and configurations, made by a community of small business-owners. - Zieglerwasn't concerned about her health, just eager to get rid of her so asto avoid any potential social embarrassment, "Bill, this is justbetween us"). He did not know who she was: she was wearinga mask. >Bill was not yet sure it was Mandy from the bathroom, till he happened to >see the news story and saw the name "Amanda," then it started to come >together. He only ultimately accepts Ziegler's account because itgives him a convenient alibi (as well as because of Ziegler's powerfulposition - Bill is Ziegler's man, obeying his orders, subscribing tothe demands and realities of Ziegler's world). Bill has not made any definitive connection at that stage betweenMandy and the masked woman, only - at most - between Mandy and theAmanda from the news report, both of them having suffered drugoverdoses. As though testing how well Bill's implanted suggestions had taken..????? 2. The second, and more terrifying suggestion, is the mask is a final warning from the secret society for Bill to drop any further investigation or the fate that befell the woman who saved him could be visited upon Alice. As for Kelpzoid's rants on the topic - isn't there a RAW Illuminatusng out there somewhere? Please either stop > or> shape up. The movie went through post-production following Stanley Kubrick's death, though some have argued about how much it represents his intended vision. He was a master ofthatslight of hand stuff. (meaning the Mysterious woman) "victor the woman lying dead at the morgue was the women at the party, well victor, maybe i'm missing something heyou call it a Charadetell me what kind of Charade ends up with someone dead.". And why should anyone acceptanything Ziegler says, someone who contemptibly dismisses this woman(or women) as "a hooker. It was a > party nevertheless. But maybe he's just practicing forhis Boddhisatva qualification tests.- you know, the 'enlightening thegreat unwashed masses' thing. He > was wrestling with whether his buddy Zeigler and all those at the "party," > were killers. >> First of all, Mandy must have felt some connection with Bill since he was> showing her concern and kindness in the Bathroom. or psychotherapists. >> If we speculate too far then we could say it was ALL a Charade.>>, >>>>>>>>>>>That would not be valuable or insightful speculation, but a total> denial of most of what happens in the film (another variation of 'it's> all just a dream', everything being attributable to the delusions of> Bill's mind, a denial of the world of social power, similar to saying> that everything that happens to Jack Torrance in The Shining is all> 'in his mind'). <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<. It's not like he is going to voice all his thoughts. In contrast, why does the masked woman seeminglyalready know much more than they do? Simply because we don't really know the extent of the "charade," from the Illuminatii/Secret government etc, OR what SK really had in mind---to blow our mind. Bill is ushered to a crowded room and unmasked by the master of ceremonies. But which'party' is Bill referring to? <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<, > This is still a mystery. because Bill didn't get to see him up close like the film audience. I never siad Bill recognized him.we get to recognize him when we study it. You can identify Pollacks eyes and chin quite easily in the close ups. Was she the women at the party?" (1) As more people opt for lasik surgery, he will not be able to hide behind those specs. Padraig has been writing about film online since 2012, when a friend asked if he'd like to contribute the occasional review or feature to their site. Somerton could hardly be> >>>>>> described (and>> certainly not by Bill) as a 'party. at the > ceremony/orgy. They paid off the desk cleark to tell Bill, that Nick was being roughed up, or perhaps the clerk is one of those men dancing with men at the ceremony/orgy and in fact Mandy, although on the slab was not really dead. > Simply because we don't really know the extent of the "charade," from the > Illuminatii/Secret government etc, OR what SK really had in mind---to blow > our mind. The masked woman was played by a different actor but is the samecharacter. WebThe protagonists mask (Bill Harford, interpreted by Tom Cruise) is a Venetian mask that covers the entire face. <<<<<<<<. Are we not acceptingZiegle'sr story here once again, and then retrospectivelyinterpellating and internalising it, re-interpreting all the earlierevents of the film in strict accordance with his frankly deeplysuspect account? At what point do we decide whether Corpse Mandy's very slight, single frame, mini-wink and subsequent eye movement was intended? <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<. Same voice. >> >>>>>> But which 'party' is Bill referring to? >>>>>>>>>>> And why should anyone accept> anything Ziegler says, someone who contemptibly dismisses this woman> (or women) as "a hooker. > But it isn't clear at all, and nobody in the film refers to the events> at Somerton as a 'party.'<<<<<<<. Obviously in your literal, fundamentalist world, the concepts ofmetaphor and metonomy are similarly too much for you to possiblycomprehend, viz >> I'm sorry, but this has to be said: I'm pretty sure I know what you mean,> but the way you're saying it is silly. What else could he call it? It is only when Ziegler responds> positively to Bill's question, "The woman at the party is the woman in> the morgue?" and then Bill says, "..you can't keep doing >> this," Mandy says, "Ya." >> When we see the news article about dead Mandy, it says "Beauty Queen"> but how did Bill know that was the same woman who ODd or helped him at> the orgy, since he never knew the real name of either? Rather, heis beginning to SUSPECT that the body might be that of the maskedwoman, a suspician that leads him to look long and hard at her upclose in the morgue. Desire is always the desire of theOther our dreams constituring the realisation of desire. 1. It is also possible that for some reason Kubrick had to hire a different person to double for Mandy. Why should we accept the 'reasoning' of someonewho Kubrick so openly portrays as a bullying, misogynistic thug (andalso, remember, there was no such character in Schnitzler's novel)?Alternatively, do the Somerton gang actually kill the masked woman atthe ritual, while the other woman (Mandy) at Ziegler's earlier partythen turns up - again as Mandy - at the morgue? I agree though, he hadnt made a defintiive connection yet. -Herodotus, You do not have permission to delete messages in this group, Either email addresses are anonymous for this group or you need the view member email addresses permission to view the original message, I thought the woman who ODd at the dance party (Mandy), the woman who, Well, in the interview with "Mandy" - I don't care to look up her name, Here is a youtube video of "Mandy" (Julienne Davis), singing in her band, I sent a message to the YouTube person who hosted those "Mandy" videos if. It is only when Ziegler respondspositively to Bill's question, "The woman at the party is the woman inthe morgue?" You saw > her volunteer to sacrifice herself so the orgy managers would let Doctor > Cruise go free.>> If the woman in the mask had been the same woman as Mandy, you would have > expected some recognition of that from Doctor Cruise. 0. >>>>>>>>> And even if it was clear, even if he had> referred directly to the events of the night before as the (Somerton)> party, it would still be uncertain, because>> 1. Statanic mass?>, > <<<<<<<<<>>>>> But which 'party' is Bill referring to? The (unnamed) woman in the mask who warns > Doctor Cruise is the same woman who ends up dead in the morgue. > The vagueness is intentional, but I think it is clear that it was Mandy > all along, If it is vague, then how can it also be 'clear'? I enjoy the > mystery entirely and will return to it over and over and could watch the > film again and again.>, >>>>>>>>>>>>> And if this firgure was Ziegler, why would he subsequently> send a naked masked woman over to Bill for his benefit? >>>>>>>>>How would he recognise him, know him, given that they were all >>>>>>>>>wearingmasks? >Apparently word of Bill's entry into the ceremony/orgy traveled fast. ">> "Victor what can I say. > So if instead, he replayed Alice's voice (or Ziegler's voice) this> would 'prove' that the body was that of Alice (or Ziegler)? Of their meetings -- and quickly discovers that he is in terrible danger 'party ' is Bill referring the.: why Stanley eyes wide shut who was the masked woman up dead in the morgue you met while awake we study it while awake Shining movie. Is Somerton go too far then we could say it was Mandy all > along the masked woman played. Smug arrogance the bathroom shots, eventually it is Mandy by Bill ) as more people opt for lasik,. 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